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Cosmic Ray

Note 20 Ultra 5G (or whatever it'll be called) design ideas [Edited: April 10 then May 11, 2020]

Objective: summary of what users probably want in the next Galaxy Note (the highest spec version) and differentiate it from the Galaxy S line [I know this is rather overkill but why not? haha]


A. Build and Construction: we want it to be the premium phone by Samsung
1) Sapphire covered display (Mohs’ scale Hardness 8) – prevents scratches
2) Stainless Steel Frame - gives heft and strength to the phone as opposed to Aluminum; Titanium would cost too much
3) Back - ceramic back with a matte finish (takes scratches better) or textured glass with options for a "leather" (like on the Oppo Find X2 Pro and Mate 30 RS) or a ceramic back would help differentiate it from all the "glass sandwiches" 
4) Dimensions – 167 x 77.5 x 9.1 mm (it’s the thickness here that’s important (for battery size) and it’s still smaller than the large ROG Phone II or Xiaomi Blackshark 3 Pro)
5) Weight - maximum of 225-235g (similar or a bit heavier than the IPhone 11 Pro Max)
6) IP 68 or better

B. Design/Body: we want something new but one that remains familiar
1) Bezels – there should be symmetrical bezels on the top and bottom thick enough to accommodate dual front firing stereo speakers (use two speaker grills please)
2) Front Camera Placement – ideally it would be best to have an under-display camera, unlikely but rumored to be present for 2021; if not a centrally located pill shaped module (the same size as the one on the S10 5G) or a small notch (similar to the  Mate 30 Pro) or slightly thicker top and bottom bezels (for symmetry, space for the front cameras and IR sensor, and dual speaker grills) OR have a center hole-punch with under display IR sensor
3) Headphone Jack – include one for Lavalier/Shotgun Microphones (for creators) and for the use of backup headphones/earphones
4) Larger Fingerprint Sensor - if possble
5) IR Blaster - Samsung likes to throw everything including the kitchen sink so to speak so why not
6) The rest of the design remain as is found on the Note 10 +

C. Display: Samsung still makes the best displays on the market
1) Size - 7.0" if possible (might as well if you can)
2) Similar to S20 Ultra (especially the curves on the edges) just add 120Hz @ QHD and 90Hz for all resolutions as an option right out of the gate

D. Camera – best to improve computational photography/software optimization to approach the Pixel/P40 Pro in Photo and IPhone 11 Pro Max in video (software is where it's at these days)
1) Rear Cameras - similar to S20 Ultra with [suggestion in brackets]
a.108 MP, f/1.8, 26mm (wide), 1/1.33" , 0.8µm, PDAF, OIS; [increase sensor size and have omnidirectional PDAF to compete with Huawei as well as the ability of dual (or triple if possible) aperture like your phones used to have would probably help with the autofocus issues as well as with software tuning]
b. Periscope 48 MP, f/3.5, 103mm (telephoto), 1/2.0", 0.8µm, PDAF, OIS, 10x hybrid optical zoom [bump it up to 64MP , increase sensor size, make it 10x optical (not hybrid optical and 103mm is too short) to compete with Huawei]
c. [Periscope 8 - 12 MP, f/2.4, 80mm (telephoto), PDAF, OIS, 3-4x optical zoom] - the 5th camera
d. 12 MP, f/2.2, 13mm (ultrawide), 1.4µm [bump it up to 40MP to compete with Huawei and sensor size]
e. 0.3 MP, TOF 3D, f/1.0, (depth)
f. Flash [make it closer to white, Samsung flashes tend to be a bit off white]

2) Front Camera - similar to S20 Ultra with [suggestion in brackets]
40 MP, f/2.2, 26mm (wide), 0.7µm, PDAF
[12 MP, f/2.2, 18mm (ultrawide), no AF] – similar to the one in the Google Pixel 3 but wider and larger megapixel count
[IR TOF 3D, (depth/biometrics/gesture sensor)] – similar to the one on the Huawei P40 Pro +

E. Battery – battery life is probably one of the big pillars of any great smartphone
1) 6000mAh and up – a battery this large can fit if the design takes this into account first
2) Power Modes – suggestions on how to tweak each mode
High Performance – no cap on any component hardware or software wise
Optimized – no CPU overclock except when using the camera for photo or video processing
Casual (I can’t think of another name) – no CPU overclock, 90Hz Max, AODisplay turned off, aggressive restriction of app/background processes -> similar to how Huawei maximizes their battery life but the option of this restriction should be applicable to all modes
Medium Power Saving – no CPU overclock, 60Hz Max, AODisplay turned off, aggressive restriction of app/background processes
Maximum Power Saving – same as it always has been
3) Charging - no need to be on top in this department
45-60W Fast Charging (not as fast as the Oppo Find X2 Pro but faster than the previous generation nontheless) - include the 45W charger in the box, your android competitors are undermining you already with this
30W Wireless Charging (similar to the One Plus 8 Pro) or 40W (if you want to approach Huawei speed)
15W Reverse Wireless Charging

F. Performance/Storage
1) Snapdragon 865+ or 870 – an overclocked 865 or better is needed to perform as good with competing flagships and the phone would need every ounce of power to allow better image processing and computational photography and enhance DeX mode among other things
Edit: given that there's a possibility of the Exynos 992 to be present, this should alleviate concerns but efficiency, battery life and performance still needs to be tested
(previous edit: rumors of the upcoming 5nm Exynos are up and everyone is hoping this can at least compete with the Snapdragon variants moving forward given that the new variant will abandon the Mongoose cores)

2) 1TB UFS 3.1 with microSD expansion/16GB RAM

G. S-Pen
include a volume slider on the S-Pen which will add extra functionality

H. Pricing and packaging - you've got to compete in pricing and packaging as well if you want to sell the most premium units (the S20 Ultra isn't selling well due to the high price tag and the lack of consistent software updates as is known of Samsung, that should be an eye-opener of sorts) as the pandemic will surely cause people to be very wary of buying new products especially if they cost way too much which lets me believe that you have at least two options for this:
a. Package Deals - do something similar to the 10th Anniversary Premium Package (or in this case a Decade "Starting" Package) and have options to purchase packages at discounted prices (the package being 15 to 20% cheaper as compared to purchasing all the components separately), it would entice consumers to buy IF they wish to do so
-> Note 20 Ultra 5G + Galaxy Buds Plus or Galaxy "Beans" or AKG N400 + Galaxy Watch 2 = $1500
OR
Have a DeX Package -> Note 20 Ultra 5G + DeX Pad + Dex Cable + Samsung BT Mouse = $1500

b.  Low Pricing even if just for this year -  if the top of the line Note 20 Ultra 5G has a similar price of that of Huawei and Oppo flagships then it would at least guarantee that your Android Market would now at least lean more strongly opting to buy your units, which again ties back up to the poor sales of the S20 Ultra 5G....you've got to ease up on the prices and improve the user experience via consistent software/security updates moving forward; I'd suggest that the max price to be $1200, people are thinking that they won't want to spend north of a $1000 if it's an android phone that won't get full support after a few years given that the Android Market is competitive right now.

 

 

I. Software Updates - this ties in well with the previous item
I highly suggest Samsung makes the pledge/promise that their phones starting with the  S8/S9 onwards would receive updates (at least the security patches) for at least 4 years MONTHLY and I can guarantee this would increase sales as it makes sure that people can be sure that their phone can be up to date down the line. 
To make these more feasible, Samsung HAS to sell fewer models of phones per year....you had over 30 models last year, that's going to make it tough to secure updates for all the models you release.


This was just a mental exercise given some home quarantine time, do leave your suggestions as well! 

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Product Expert

Re: Note 20 Ultra 5G (or whatever they'll call it) design suggestions

Thank you for your suggestions. I will forward this message to @samsungmoderator so they can best assist you with getting this information to the right people. 

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Samsung Care Ambassador

Re: Note 20 Ultra 5G (or whatever they'll call it) design suggestions

Don't forget that whatever they do for the Note 20, it still needs to be decently affordable.

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Cosmic Ray

Re: Note 20 Ultra 5G (or whatever they'll call it) design suggestions

Thanks! I tend to forget that price is probably the biggest component a consumer tends to look at! haha

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Product Expert

Re: Note 20 Ultra 5G (or whatever they'll call it) design suggestions

These are great suggestions and an excellent mental excercise.  Hopefully some of your ideas would be on the next phone!  

 

Take Care!

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Asteroid

Re: Note 20 Ultra 5G (or whatever they'll call it) design suggestions

Why on Earth would you want a pill shaped cut out in the center like the S10 5G that thing was gigantic and ugly as heck. It isn't nessary at all and one single cutout works just fine imo. Everything else you want seems great tho.

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Cosmic Ray

Re: Note 20 Ultra 5G (or whatever they'll call it) design suggestions

I was thinking either that or a small notch like the one on the Mate 30 Pro just so there would be space for an ultrawide lens AND an IR sensor for gestures and a more faster and secure face unlock. That (notch or pill shaped cutout) or slightly thicker bezels at the top and bottom (for symmetry and speaker grill placement)  would be alternatives given that underdisplay cameras aren't perfect yet.

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Astronaut

Re: Note 20 Ultra 5G (or whatever they'll call it) design suggestions [Edited on April 10, 2020]

For the front camera, if it will be under the screen. Please place it in the middle of the phone rather than the top of the phone. One of the major drawbacks of face timing someone is lack of eye contact. Two people with cameras in screen center below the display can have better communication. If you don't do it, Apple probably will eventually. #samsungfan #pleasedoitfirst

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Cosmic Ray

Re: Note 20 Ultra 5G (or whatever they'll call it) design suggestions [Edited on April 10, 2020]

Rumors are that there will be an under display camera for next year's Galaxy S21 but I totally agree, under display cameras will give the benefit of a full screen display without moving parts for front facing cameras. I doubt they will release one this year though. :/ 

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